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Article 3996 of comp.ai.philosophy:
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>From: sarima@tdatirv.UUCP (Stanley Friesen)
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Subject: Re: Definition of understanding
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Date: 24 Feb 92 23:03:57 GMT
References: <1992Feb19.013515.26133@mp.cs.niu.edu> <1992Feb19.172251.7320@psych.toronto.edu> <438@tdatirv.UUCP> <1992Feb22.234830.17713@psych.toronto.edu>
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In article <1992Feb22.234830.17713@psych.toronto.edu> christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green) writes:
|Searle responds: fine. Put the whole system in the man. Have him memorize
|the symbols, the rules, etc., and get rid of the room. Have him walk about
|like a sort of Chinese deaf-mute who can only communicate via written     
|messages. Now you've got the system in the man and can discover whether the
|system understands any bettter than did the man-as-part-of-the-system.
|You ask him -- the system -- whether it understands Chinese.
|He still replies "in his native language" that he doesn't understand a
|word of Chinese.

Quite, and as I said before, this changes *nothing*, there are *still*
two systems present, they just happen to both be running in the
same hardware. (ever hear of time sharing?)

The 'man' still does not understand Chinese, the 'internalized CR'
still does or does not (whichever it is), just the same as it did before.
Thus this does not actually adress the systems reply at all.  It simply
now assumes that just because both systems occcupy the same body they are
the same system - this does *not* follow.   I find this assumption, that
having been memorized the CR magically becomes one with the man, to be
so absurd as to be nonsense.
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