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>From: zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy,sci.logic
Subject: Re: Understanding Logic (was re: Godel Incomplete
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Date: 24 Apr 92 02:34:54 GMT
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In article <1992Apr23.230500.25737@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
nea@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (norman.e.andrews) writes: 

MZ:
>It's unfortunate that a thread like this one becomes disrupted by someone
>like MZ.   There are just some people who, probably through a lack of
>self-esteem, constantly need to get the attention of others by gratuitously
>insulting people and dumping on them.  MZ seems to be trying to show off
>his intellect by dumping on others, a tactic he really doesn't need to do.
>
>Damn, MZ can really make positive contributions from time to time.  Too bad
>he's got such a problem relating to real people.
>
>Look, MZ, everyone knows you're bright, in some ways, so quit trying to
>make yourself look superior by dumping on others.  It has the opposite
>effect on all but the truly inferior, and you don't crave their attention
>that much, do you? -- Norm Andrews norm@mtuxo.att.com or n.e.andrews@att.com

You know, Norm, I don't have the least bit of a problem relating to other
people.  Whenever other people say something intelligent, I acknowledge it;
whenever they say something stupid, I berate them.  On the other hand,
whenever they say something insulting, I insult back.

Perhaps you just don't get it, so I'll spell it out: I feel insulted when
someone sees himself fit to take a public dump on culture.  Like, for
instance, when I see a pearl like: "Avoid looking at First-order logic text
books. Even though I work in logic, I understood more from the informal
descriptions than the gory proof in Enderton!"

You see, Norm, I really don't give a fuck whether you, or anybody else,
decide to patronize me or to belittle me; on the other hand, I happen to
give a fuck when someone decides to fuck with them old Platonic Ideals, not
to mention the people I happen to respect.  This here is a public medium,
and you better get used to the fact that, for every nitwit diligently
striving to turn it into an enormous international _sottisier_, there is
bound to be someone like me, attempting to resist the tidal wave of
complacent stupidity.  To each his own.

>-- 
>Norm Andrews
>AT&T Bell Laboratories, Room MT-2C402
>200 Laurel Avenue, Middletown, NJ 07748
>VOICE: (908) 957-5786  FAX: (908) 957-5604


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