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>From: zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech,comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: A rock implements every FSA
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Date: 1 Apr 92 13:19:54 GMT
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In article <OZ.92Apr1000020@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> 
oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit) writes:

>zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:

>   In article <OZ.92Mar29232211@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> 
>   oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit) writes:

>   >Mikhail Zeleny writes [in response to David Chalmers]:

MZ:
>>   It's too bad you set a lower standard of excellence for Internet banter
>>   than you do for formal expression. To my uneducated mind, it appears as a
>>   regrettable lack of commitment to your stated views.

OY:
>>It is indeed unfortunate that despite these high-brow mumblings, you
>>yourself have been strangely unable to elevate your own internet banter
>>to anything more substential, say an article in a respectable journal.
>>Alas, for the time being, the last four months of zelenyana [toxic and
>>non-toxic variety] must remain within the confines of news spool
>>directories, miscellaneous archives and usenet CD-ROM.

MZ:
>   At the moment, I don't publish anything I write.

OY:
>In other words, you feel free to write anything you like on internet,
>however obnoxious or ill-informed, and when it comes down to commitment
>to those writings, "I don't publish anything I write". How convenient.
>In amusing contrast, the target of your challenge has actually published
>a considerable amount of his material [1], thereby allowing critical
>examination of his views.

If I begrudged anyone feeling free to write anything he likes on internet,
however obnoxious, ill-informed, or content-free, I certainly would never
have responded to any of your messages, which, at least in the past five
months, contained nought but random barking.  My point had to do with the
desire to see some of the arguments that appear herein with some
regularity, in their definitive form.  Note that that's exactly what I do
with my own writings.

MZ:
>					     ... However, the substance of
>   many of my articles in these newsgroups is contained in my lengthy opus on
>   semantics, which exists in a draft version, and is available to anyone who
>   asks for it, both for reading and citing.

OY:
>Ah, there are just too many unpublished/unpublishable draft opuses
>around, and yours is just one more in the proverbial pot. When and if
>this "opus" of yours makes it (say) to the pages of a reviewed journal,
>let this newsgroup know. Until then, do enjoy your internet playpan,
>where the cure for *flatus vocis* is a keyclick away.

No one has to read anything anyone else writes; if you require a cure from
the opinion of others, just close your eyes and grit your teeth.  As for
the fate of unpublished/unpublishable draft opuses, I once asked Tony
Martin why he, along with so many other mathematicians (think of the
mythical Scott-Solovay forcing paper) kept their results in that form,
inaccessible to the hungry masses.  His answer was that whoever needed to
know about them, found out without publication.  So you will excuse me for
ignoring your ill-informed assaults this one time.

OY:
>   >Are you willing to publish your vitriolic internet tirades on Dennett?
>   >I doubt it.

MZ:
>   Their gist is all there, mostly in the footnotes.

OY:
>Translation: "I excluded all the attacks on Dennett's character
>	      so that my work will not be the laughing stock of
>	      every philosophy student in this continent"
>
>bosh.

You are very good at speculating about the contents of the work you've
never seen.  Note, however, that I allow my work to be cited in its
readers' own publications; if someone wants to mock it, he is welcome to
try.  

>oz
>---
>[1] Chalmers, D.J. 1992.  Subsymbolic computation and the Chinese Room.
>    In (Dinsmore, ed) _The Symbolic and Connectionist Paradigms: Closing
>    the Gap_. Erlbaum.
>
>    Chalmers, D.J. 1990.  Syntactic transformations on distributed
>    representations. Connection Science 2:53-62.
>
>    Chalmers, D.J. 1990.  Why Fodor and Pylyshyn were wrong: The simplest
>    refutation.  Proceedings of the Cognitive Science Society 12:340-7.
>
>    Chalmers, D.J., French, R.M. & Hofstadter, D.R. 1992.  High-level
>    perception, representation, and analogy: A critique of AI methodology.
>    Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Artificial Intelligence.
>
>    Chalmers, D.J. 1990. The Evolution of Learning: An Experiment in
>    Genetic Connectionism. Connectionist Models: Proceedings of the
>    1990 Summer School Workshop, pp. 81-90.
>
>    etc.

I note that any description of Chalmers' wacky notion of implementation is
conspicuously absent from the above.


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