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>From: dow@idtg.UUCP (Keith Dow)
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Subject: Re: Scaled up slug brains
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Date: 20 Dec 91 02:02:15 GMT
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>>I said Statistical Mechanics and Thermal dynamics.
>
>So what?  Prigogine worked on thermodynamics *far* from equilibrium.
>Compared to _that_, near equilibrium is trivial.

Spin glasses are not trivial.  Noble laureates have worked on them and
there are still problems with understanding them.  I would not call 
Prigogine work "far" from thermodynamic equilibrium.  Would you care
to site a case?


>>>Try not to think.  Go look up the papers I referenced.  They contain the
>>>references to the actual experiments that give the actual evidence for
>>>the existence of pumped phonon condensations in biological systems.
>
>>Did the experimental papers say "We have discovered a phonon pump"?  Or
>>is this some physicist interpreting their result? It seems to be the latter.
>
>It is of course the latter.  This is standard experimental physics.
>Sort of like Einstein interpreting the photoelectric effect as being
>caused by photons.

In the photoelectric effect, only one person did the experiment correctly.
This experiment was done after Einstein made his prediction.  Also the 
experiment used light and measured electricity.  

So did the biologists measure excess vibrations coming from part of the brain?
Did they see one neuron vibrating instead of firing?  Is the claim that the 
brain is powered by vibrations instead of electrical signals?

Remember that phonons are just the quanta of material vibration.  Maybe
you can write a book about it called "The Music of the Hemispheres."


>You are welcome to give an alternative explanation.  There are about
>a dozen or so experiments to consider that agree with Froehlich's model.

There are over a thousand experiments which agree with the plain old
vanilla electrical firing.

>>There is no limit to photon wavelength either, yet they manage to laser.
>
>>Yes but this has nothing to do with Bose-Einsten Condensation.
>
>Other than that it is one, you're right.  Photons are bosons, and
>in a laser, they are all in the ground state.  If you have a hangup
>about non-equilibrium thermodynamics, that's your poor education.

Again, there is no lowest energy state of a photon.  Therefore you cannot
have Bose-Einstein condensation. E=h/(lamda) You can pick as long a wavelength
you want and get as low energy as you want.



>I mean, really, what sort of school did you go to where they had you
>write something 1000 times on the blackboard?

That was your homework assignment.  

The trivial Nobel physics award was for automatic coastal lighting, by the
way.  

Today's trivia question, "Why is it illegal to make an exact copy
of the United States Constitution"?



