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>From: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
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Subject: Re: Scaled up slug brains
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In-reply-to: dow@idtg.UUCP (Keith Dow)

In article <362@idtg.UUCP>, dow@idtg (Keith Dow) writes:
>I said Statistical Mechanics and Thermal dynamics.

So what?  Prigogine worked on thermodynamics *far* from equilibrium.
Compared to _that_, near equilibrium is trivial.

>>Try not to think.  Go look up the papers I referenced.  They contain the
>>references to the actual experiments that give the actual evidence for
>>the existence of pumped phonon condensations in biological systems.

>Did the experimental papers say "We have discovered a phonon pump"?  Or
>is this some physicist interpreting their result? It seems to be the latter.

It is of course the latter.  This is standard experimental physics.
Sort of like Einstein interpreting the photoelectric effect as being
caused by photons.

You are welcome to give an alternative explanation.  There are about
a dozen or so experiments to consider that agree with Froehlich's model.

>>There is no limit to photon wavelength either, yet they manage to laser.

>Yes but this has nothing to do with Bose-Einsten Condensation.

Other than that it is one, you're right.  Photons are bosons, and
in a laser, they are all in the ground state.  If you have a hangup
about non-equilibrium thermodynamics, that's your poor education.

I mean, really, what sort of school did you go to where they had you
write something 1000 times on the blackboard?
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-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu)


