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From: olea@netcom.com (Michael Olea)
Subject: Re: Fuzzy logic book suggestions
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 07:30:58 GMT
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wester@chronologicsystems.com (John Wester) writes:

>In article <3kka3e$e33@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mcvandine@aol.com (MCVanDine) says:
>>
>>"Good overview once you wade past all the Zen..."  What a laugh.  Avoid
>>this Kosko book.  A waste of money.  Communicates little if anything of
>>either Fuzzy Logic or Zen.  The Cox book is quite good.
>>
>>BTW, the HHGTTG opening theme is by the Eagles ... "Journey of the
>>Sorcerer" or something like that.


>I probably should have said 'For the very non-technical, looking for 
>a Popular Science version of FL you should look at...'

>BTAIM however, it may be a waste of money, but if you have a very 
>non-technical audience (sales gits, MBAs, English Lit and Commerce Grads)
>with epsilon comprehension of logic,math, comp-sci etc. whose idea of 
>ai is HAL on 2001, then Kosko at least sugar coats some of the 
>concepts in a form that the techno-peasants can handle.
> 
>Believe me, I know that FL and NN are Good Things, but trying to
>get a sales dude to believe, in even the most fundamental way, and 
>then go out and convince customers that this is a Very Good Thing Indeed
>you need every tool you can muster, even if the Zen is bad, and the 
>content is minimal. 

>I have to fight for internal funds all the time and if I can get them
>turned on with a popular overview, I'll use it. When fighting with 
>squints you have to fight dirty. <grin> 


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	It is the pure JOY of self-employment that these techno-battles
can take place in the confines of your own mind.  Do you believe in the
power of your idea?  Fine, develope it, market it.  This is very good
training that is available to those who venture with courage and a dime
on the making of a marketable thing.  Try it - then re-evaluate your
estimation of managers, marketeers, and lawyers.  It is the mantra of
enthralled engineers to lament constraints - remove the constraints,
see what you can do.  Just don't forget to feed the spouse, 2.3 kids,
and the dog.

- Michael Olea, CEO and lead janitor, Olea Consulting.

