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From: sylvere@divsun.unige.ch (Silvere Martin-Michiellot)
Subject: Re: limits of thoughts
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:15:20 GMT
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In article as2@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de, gruenera@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Florian Gruener) writes:
>
>So, you think that "infinite numbers" and death are unthinkable things.
>
>First, you would have to say for WHOM this might be unthinkable.
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>For me, infinite numbers are indeed thinkable - in some abstract way.

Well, I meant to you can't truly conceive except in an abstract way.

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>"Death" is not an unthinkable problem to someone who claims to be an atheist.
>

right.

>As I said before, everyone makes his or her own limits to the thoughts that he
>or she can think of.

I was particularly wondering about the limits of thoughts for everyone.
Of course differential knowledge is a clue, as well as the thing that we
can conceive now and that couldn't be a millenia ago.

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>I liked what you said about sharing different thoughts with diferent individuals. That's THE point.
>If there are some "brains" in a group of people (society, culture) then everyone is able to get access to new thoughts, thoughts, that were unthinkable to him or he before.

Of course, in this case, we must admit that we can share the same thoughts and that
deep common knowledge exists.

>I tend to state that EVERYONE is creative in some way - if we are correct, we must say that (almost ?) every biography is unthinkabe to the others.
>
>To put it in another way: The set of all unthinkable thoughts is the limit of a certain culture (no usual Western human being can really think of the concept of "nivana" i.e....).
>

Unthinkable thoughts are enlightened by the difference of culture. However it is
an abstract of the culture of every single human. Social culture can be considered
as an abstraction in that case.

>The unthinkable thoughts are the reason why we are not totally free - that is,
>we are not "free" enough to think in other ways o about new things.
>
>
>That's why I think that the topic "limits of thoughts" is very essential to questions about human freedom and independence....
>

Well, I don't really think that unthinkable thoughts are directly related to freedom.
I believe that the way we are built (genetic) is the very first limitation to freedom
(of thoughts) : what can a bird think about ? We'd have to be a bird to know. May be
even this last sentence is nonsence to a bird.

>
>Are you still with me ????
>

Yes, but not often however. I'm getting more and more busy each day and
my news production is concentrated about another topic. (see my others messages)

Have a nice day.

>
>Flo.
>Munich.



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