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From: vacco@alpha.acast.nova.edu (Don Corleone)
Subject: Re: BABY KILLING JESUS!!!
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:09:15 GMT
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In article <jerpat.798572693@popeye.cs.iastate.edu> jerpat@cs.iastate.edu (Jeremiah Samuel Patterson) writes:
>conrads@neosoft.com (Conrad Sabatier) writes:
>
>>In article <3n8mj4$g88@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
>>   spblair@acs.ucalgary.ca (Sean Philip Blair) wrote:
>>>chani (chani@montana.tezcat.com) wrote:
>>>
>>>:   But that is the whole point of free choice.  
>>>
>>>:    You can walk thru this door, or not.   (pssst, if you don't go 
>>>: through the door I'll kill you)  some free choice....
>>>
>>>:   Reward: love and life everlasting
>>>:   Punishment: dispair, pain and everlasting suffering
>>>
>>>:   It still sounds like a bully saying do it my way or else....
>>>
>>>Does it? It sounds more like a lovig God who wants to pull you
>>>from the flames of your unwillingness to believe.
>
>>It sounds like a fucking tyrant to me.
>
>>>There is a difference. A bully usually uses force to make you do
>>>something you don't want to do.
>
>>And punishes you if you don't.
>
>>>First of all, God isn't FORCING you to do anything...

No, people are...at an early age. Child abuse: telling
a little kid he/she will go to a horrible burning
place if they don't <insert asinine shit here>

>
>>The hell he's not.  Do it or else, bub.
>
>Yet, He does NOT force us!
>He cannot stand anything that is unholy or unclean, therefore
>we have made the choice to beseparated from a holy a pure God
>God has no desire for us to go to hell, if he did he would not have
>bothered to create us at all.  God did not create us so that he 
>could pour out His wrath upon us...He created us because He wanted
>someone to love and have close, intimate fellowship with.  We screwed
>it up when we decided we were going to punt God and do it our own way.
>If we decide to go our own way then why would we ever want to spend
>eternity with God, anyway?
>
>>>Second of all, heaven isn't exactly something I "wouldn't like".

Heaven is a juicy pussy or inviting asshole or mouth.

>
>>Heaven is only your own pathetic attempt to delude yourself into 
>>actually believing that you even fucking *deserve* some reward.
>
>>What have you done to be worthy of an eternity of absolute bliss and 
>>serenity, huh?
I injected by beef into a hot hole.

>
>Whomever you are responding to (forgot his name) did nothing to 
>earn an eternity in heaven.  He has accepted God's free gift of
>salvation through Christ's death on the cross.  Through faith, not works,
>will we go to heaven.
>
>You're right...we don't deserve to go to heaven! ALL have sinned and
>fallen short of God's glory (Romans 3:23). So we've all blew it but vv.
>24 says that we are justified as a gift of God's grace through Jesus Christ's 
>death on the cross.
>
>>>He never bullied me into making the choice I have, and I can walk
>>>away anytime.
Because you are a brainwashed idiot.

>
>>If you're willing to suffer the consequences.
>
>>>He's left it up to us.
>
>>Again, if you're willing to suffer the consequences.
>
>>>In the land of eternity
>>>there is no "luke-warm" option,unfortunatly. It's either all good
>>>or all bad. 
>
>>It sounds all so...*enlightened*.
>
>>You poor, misguided fool.  No, worse than that, you're a *poseur*.  A 
>>fake.  A fraud.  A sham.
>
>How are any of us a scam, fraud, etc, etc.....?
>The truth of scripture is undeniable, and non-disproven.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*I* deny it, therefore it's bullshit.

>Until you can show me any different, i.e. disprove the Bible :-).
>Everything in the Bible has happened just as much as everything in a 
>history book has happened.
>
>>And worst of all, deceiving yourself.  Try expending as much energy 
>>examining and questioning your beliefs as you do trying to foist them 
>>on others.
>
>Look in the mirror. You are foisting your beliefs upon us as well, are you
>not?
You can believe in the Second Coming of the Holy Penis, for
all I care.

>
>>If you didn't get the earlier writer's point that a "choice" obtained 
>>under threat of pain and death is clearly no choice at all, I pity 
>>you.
>
>Your choice is not to follow, is it not? He does not heap threats upon us
>but in all fairness, He must tell us what the consequense is for punting
>God's mercy and truth...until you see that, there is no way we can have a 
>resonable conversation about this.
>
>
>>If you did get it, clearly you are unable to respond.
>
>>So you enjoy worshipping a sadist, do you?  Gee, what must that say 
>>about *you*?

>
>I think I may have answered these questions earlier.
Same old shit, avoid answering by either pointing
to "scripture" or saying it was discussed
earlier.

>
>>--
>>Conrad Sabatier -- conrads@neosoft.com
>
>Thanks Conrad for you input, but some of the language you have used offends
>me. If you post on promisekeepers again I would really appricate if you 
>might not use obsenities. :-)
Well, tough titty if you don't like it < o _ E
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>
>Tha
nks again!
>
>Love in Christ,
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