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Article 6268 of comp.ai.philosophy:
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>From: throop@aurs01.UUCP (Wayne Throop)
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Subject: Re: The Turing Test is not a Trick
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> markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder)
>> throop@aurs01.UUCP (Wayne Throop)
>>Similarly, if what's important about a human is their communicative
>>ability, it doesn't matter if they are speaking english or signing ASL.  
> To me, that's far too narrow.  If we're trying to define or detect
> intelligence, I am not willing to restrict it to the ability to communicate
> by teletype; I also want to look at complex sensory processing, intonation,
> nonverbal behavior, social interaction, creativity, and more.  

Hmmmmm.  Why?

Why *shouldn't* normal usenet-like teletype conversation be thought
of as involving intonation, nonverbal behavior, social interaction,
and creativity?  (I'll grant the complex sensory processing (at least
the "complex" part), but still wonder why it's an issue.)

To be specific, why don't "Hmmmmm.", "*shouldn't*", and the like
qualify as "intonation"?  Why isn't this message a social interaction?
And the position that printed language can't be creative holds quite a
bit of mysteriosity for me.  And if the TT were done on an X display
instead of a teletype (to keep up with purely technological changes),
then quite extensive expressiveness, with drawing, invented fonts, and
many such things would be available to the testees and controls.

And as to non-verbal behavior... well... shrug.

( And in passing, note that ASL arguably *does* demonstrate complex sensory
  processing and creativity, more so than spoken languages.   )

Wayne Throop       ...!mcnc!aurgate!throop


