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>From: silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber)
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Subject: 'home' is where you find it: Re: Transducers
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Date: 11 Jun 92 17:15:15 GMT
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In article <1992Jun11.055038.9628@Princeton.EDU> harnad@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Stevan Harnad) writes:
>...nobody home in there, it's not a real mind, just a virtual mind:
    ^^^^^^^^^^^           ++++++++++++++++++++  ^^^^ ++++++++++++++
>squiggles and squoggles that are systematically interpretable as if
                                                 +++++++++++++++++++
>they were a mind, thinking (e.g., passing the TT). To pass the TTT (and
>think) requires a real robot ...
>sensorimotor transduction. The physical embodiment of the thinking
>includes the noncomputational part, ESSENTIALLY.  ...

 <the above is not DEMONSTRATED>

>Ceterum sentio: Real time learning or development have NOTHING to do
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^      ???????
>with it; only real TTT-capacity is relevant. ....

 Somebody really connected to a virtual terminal connected to this network
 has already pointed out that a program running on your favorite computer,
 IS physically embodied.

 It may require a robot to pass the 'TTT', but it is not at all clear that
 'mind', PER SE, requires 'transduction'.  Once I have a 'mind', you
 can lop off all my transduction, and I can still think, so a computer-mind
 could be loaded with the transduction-rich-'ESSENTIALS', and then think,
 (perhaps only about 'abstractions' or 'memories') without further
 'transduction'.  Yes, I have already submitted this observation, but I
 haven't seen a convincing refutation, so I submit it again!

 (aside: is quayle a transducer? presumably. does quayle have a mind?????)


