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Article 6159 of comp.ai.philosophy:
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>From: silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Transducers: The Retina is Part of the Brain
Keywords: mind/body problem, other-minds problem, dualism, solipsism
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Date: 8 Jun 92 18:44:04 GMT
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In article <1992Jun6.153132.25456@Princeton.EDU> harnad@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Stevan Harnad) writes:
>... (And for those who will rush to
>remind me that enucleated people still have minds, let me remind them
>that they still have a lot of other senses left as well, that I did not
>say I was just the retina, and that even "I am a Transducer" is of
>course an oversimplification, just to get the point across that the
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>transducer transaction, and all the structures and processes underlying
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>it, may be an essential component of a mind implementation, rather than
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>a homunculur channel to it.)

 Still, you have not addressed the issue of the 'developmental etiology' of
 'mind'.  Most of us have already granted you the likely neccessity of what
 you call transduction/symbol-grounding for the primary developmental stages
 of a 'mind', however it is not so clear that a developed 'mind' cannot be
 'transcribed' into a turing-thing which could cogitate quite independent of
 any further 'transduction' of the type which was fundamental to its initial
 development.


